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Talizar · May 23, 2005, 11:49 PM // 23:49

classes are not balanced for 1 on 1. It will never happen. NEVER.

If they allowed one on one everyone would whine how it was unbalanced and when they would try to balance it it would ****(f u c k) up the gvg balance and turn this game into wow.

Jackell · May 23, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54

As much as I do think 1 vs 1 duels would be fun, I personaly don't think they should be added in.

C-Tzar, you nailed my point exactly. Morons complaining about the balance for 1 vs 1. I know it's not meant for it, and you know that, but if they added it, then there would be thousands of morons complaining about 1 vs 1 inbalance, and the call for nerfs on characters and skills abound. WE know the game is designed for GvG, but there's an army of idiots who would jump on it like no tommorow and complain all day.

And, knowing these people, as soon as you would give them the response of "The game isn't meant for this" we'd get the response from them of "Well, if it wasn't meant for it, why'd they put it in?"

So you have this army of idiots screaming for nerfs and to rebalance the game for 1 vs 1 because, and everyone's seen this by partying with these people in missions, these people want to be the uber 1337 god of gaming. Every dumbass that want's to be the shining star in every party that gets the whole group killed will be screaming for 1 vs 1 balance.

And Anet has a good reputation to listening to their customer base. IMO, add 1 vs 1's, and that army of idiots will bring the rest of the game down with it.

C-Tzar · May 23, 2005, 11:54 PM // 23:54

If they restricted it to those of the same class, I could live with that. I don't think it's completely necessary, but would certainly help avoid class balance whining.

Talizar: Wow, you fulfilled my prophesy even sooner than I expected. And that's very clever getting around the filter like that.

EDIT: Thank you Jackell for taking the time to put together a well written and meaningful argument. The world could use more like you. You're point is the only one that concerns me about 1v1s. I would like to think that the issue could be handled well, but the more stupidity I see both in game and on these boards (not everyone), the more I'm starting to believe that you may be right. I tend to give the rabble too much benefit of the doubt. Wow I'm in a cranky mood today.

Jackell · May 24, 2005, 12:19 AM // 00:19

*breaking into a gaming nerd*

w00t for meh!

Seriously though, when someone puts together a well thought out and intelligent argument on a position I disagree with, I try and give them the same level of intellect back. Creates better debates and sometimes we actually may make some progress.

Of course, if someone's entire argument is "OMFG this suxxx cuz I say so", then that's what they get back from me.

Rahne Sinclaire · May 24, 2005, 12:30 AM // 00:30

Fighting my mirror was about as much 1v1 that I could handle... that's all I really have to say. ^^;;
I guess a 1v1 Arena would be alright, though...

C-Tzar · May 24, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackell

Seriously though, when someone puts together a well thought out and intelligent argument on a position I disagree with, I try and give them the same level of intellect back. Creates better debates and sometimes we actually may make some progress.

Of course, if someone's entire argument is "OMFG this suxxx cuz I say so", then that's what they get back from me.

I agree 100% and appreciate it. And the more I think about it, the more I'm starting to think that it probably should be restricted to dueling one's own class. Of course, they could just never implement it at all and that would be fine with me, I just think it would be a fun option and it's a shame that lamers would ruin it.

My biggest problem with this whole debate in general is the inability of so many to distinguish (what I would have thought to be an obvious difference) between: "classed aren't balanced for it" and "people would whine about classes not being balanced for it" and even "whiners would make the devs ruin the balance". Most spew the first argument (and assume your an idiot that doesn't know this if you even mention duels) which doesn't matter at all, when the only real problem is the last one. Am I just too pedantic?

Jackell · May 24, 2005, 01:06 AM // 01:06

I think your too.... uhhh.... usingwordsidontknowthemeaningofish....

I've noticed a lot of people do just read someones argument, and basically use it verbatim in arguments that, though they may be a little bit similar, aren't the same, or don't fully read the counter point. As soon as they read a line that they don't agree with they go to quick reply without finishing reading the post.

Tanik · May 24, 2005, 03:16 AM // 03:16

I've always wanted 1v1 matches to be restricted to guild mates only, with no rewards, but simply as a chance to test ones character... this way you could use it to test "worse case scenerios" and "what if scenerios" and with no rewards people who usually complain about class balancing would grow bored with it.. plus with guild mates only, i doubt many people would explode over a guildmate/friend beating them. Id love to see this implemented as a training facility, and not necessarily a full blown new arena feature.

C-Tzar · May 24, 2005, 04:10 AM // 04:10

I don't think anyone disagrees that if there were some 1v1 system that there should be absolutely no reward involved whatsoever.

obvlexi · May 24, 2005, 04:23 AM // 04:23

deathmatch would be better

Jackell · May 24, 2005, 01:54 PM // 13:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tanik

I've always wanted 1v1 matches to be restricted to guild mates only, with no rewards, but simply as a chance to test ones character... this way you could use it to test "worse case scenerios" and "what if scenerios" and with no rewards people who usually complain about class balancing would grow bored with it.. plus with guild mates only, i doubt many people would explode over a guildmate/friend beating them. Id love to see this implemented as a training facility, and not necessarily a full blown new arena feature.

There's a good suggestion. I'm in support of this one.

Stur · May 24, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Wow was I the only one that noticed someone dropped the F-bomb in this thread?

xakia · May 24, 2005, 02:46 PM // 14:46

I swear I read something about PVP mission instances too while I was waiting for this game's release. Obviously not in game like I'd of wanted.

Really hope they allow open pvp hunting areas to gank and pvp missions. That'd be pretty fun.

They should set up different factions in the storyline missions and allow us to continue as one of them to compete through these missions. Love challenge.

Siran Dunmorgan · May 24, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

One-on-One matches in this game—especially between characters of the same professions—would be inherently flawed.

The game was balanced on a kind of rock-paper-scissors model, so that in general—and yes, I know there will always be specific exceptions to this—any given profession will have another profession that dominates it, and will dominate another profession in turn.

Within any profession, things are about evenly balanced: so evenly balanced, in fact, that duels would be lost by the side that gives up first, not by the side that wins, per se.

Imagine, if you will, the hours that a duel between two healing monks could stretch on.

—Siran Dunmorgan

XxSwOrDxX · May 24, 2005, 03:10 PM // 15:10

actually...not neccesarily..all it takes is someone clicking the wrong skill or making 1 poor decision that could amount to his/her demise...i think a 1v1 arena or are would be a really good idea..i mean look at all the comments from when this thread was put up

1v1 could help other learn the basis of pvp and can also help tone down skills...i just think a 1v1 could only help..not hurt

Myodato · May 24, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12

I can't imagine why somebody would want a 1 vs 1 in this game, but that doesn't mean they haven't got a good reason. My experience of 1 vs 1 through Arena etc shows that they're either hopelessly one sided or grindingly well-matched. Compared to the inticate strategies of group PvP, it's a thoroughly tepid experience.

If I do have an argument against including 1 vs 1, it's that too many people would simply start doing that instead of entering the Arena or Tombs. Why give people an option to play the game other than the way it is designed to be played ?

Dred Skullord · May 24, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

Because of the mission based servers, you'll never meet someone outside your team on a mission. Right now, there is no place to 1 v 1 pvp, unless they modify the towns or arenas in the future.

That said, I am hoping that an expansion will designate a server where you can 1 v 1 in some sort of landscape. Better yet, I hope they allow GvG in some landscape other than guild halls. The grind of knocking off mobs in PvE is starting to grate on me already.

MasterDinadan · May 24, 2005, 03:16 PM // 15:16

Training facility sounds like a good idea, definatly something that would be nice to add to guild halls.
1v1 duels really wouldn't work though. I'm reasonably certain that no single person that isn't a mesmer could kill me in any amount of time... I can last forever with Ether Renewal and all my enchantments... I've never found myself in a situation where a single player was any threat at all to my life, only when I get attacked by more then one.

I have often ended up in a stalemate situation in the arena. Last night I found myself faced against a W/Mo with everyone else in the enemy team dead... He was attacking me, and I was attacking him, but neither of us was getting any closer to dying. Unfortunatly, he had a rez and I didn't. He managed to rez one of his allies and they won. But if it had just been the two of us, it NEVER would have ended.